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Tom
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 Posted - 02/27/2007 : 11:28:36
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does anyone have any feedback on this as a training aid 
Later Tom in Sarasota
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najoha75
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Tom
Starting Member
USA
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Posted - 02/27/2007 : 16:39:42
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| Thanks Nathan..Have you used a ring in your training |
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ReneNg
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Posted - 02/27/2007 : 18:13:14
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| Rattan rings..... BAD idea... will give you LOTS of bad habit!!! Avoid if you can. |
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Tom
Starting Member
USA
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Posted - 02/27/2007 : 18:49:24
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| Thanks Sifu ..lucky I did not buy one yet.......Tom |
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ReneNg
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Posted - 02/27/2007 : 19:08:34
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| No problem, Tom..... I will explain to you in detail and show you why it will give you (mucho) bad habits in class tomorrow night. |
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najoha75
Administrator
USA
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Posted - 02/28/2007 : 01:30:52
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Hi Sifu & Tom,
I've never used a rattan ring, and have never seen one except in that video... but I'd be interested in knowing why we should avoid them. My guess, from watching that video, is that one must maintain a constant outward energy, rather than forward energy, to keep the ring on arms... the left and right arm must always maintain opposing force/energy: up with left arm while down with the right arm, or left with the left arm while right with the right arm. Is this part of the reason?
Nathan |
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najoha75
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USA
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Posted - 02/28/2007 : 01:33:48
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Sifu,
What do you think about using those brass forearm rings that the Hung Gar folks use?
Now that I'm thinking about training devices, what do you think about Mok Yan Jong stand... comparing (1) the fixed base stand to (2) the dummy mounted on two horizontal rails. The dummy Jing Institute has a fixed base that is not entirely fixed, but the small amount of movement pivots about the base of the dummy which is a very different feel from a dummy mounted on two horizontal rails.
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Edited by - najoha75 on 02/28/2007 01:40:36 |
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ReneNg
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Posted - 02/28/2007 : 08:32:49
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Nathan:
Lots of reasons why NOT to use the brass rings. But I think one of the biggest ones is that by using the rings, you end up training your hands to go in a circle with energy focuses on the rim of the rings; the energy becomes enclosed and circular. In Wing Chun, the energy should NEVER be chasing the hands (which the circumference of the rings represents, and you end up chasing the circumference) -- you must always STICK to your opponent's hands, and your energy should be directed TOWARDS THE OPPONENT's body and NOT the hands. What the brass rings end up doing is developing an ability to stick to the rings, which basically means you are chasing the opponent's hands.... probably the worst thing you can do in sticky hands. |
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ReneNg
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Posted - 02/28/2007 : 08:40:48
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The Hung Ga rings are not good for Wing Chun at all. They end up tightening your arms because of (1) the weight of the rings, and (2) because you have these rings on your forearms as they are extended and parallel to the floor... makes your muscles very stiff and hard - exactly opposite of what you need for Wing Chun. The rings are crucial for Hung Ga because of the characteristic of the style... the Tiet Kiew bridge is famous in Hung Ga, and is the key component of that style (much like centerline and softness is that of Wing Chun). Hung Ga is a very hard style, and their (iron) Tiet Kiew bridge is famous as they use their iron bridge to hammer into opponent's defenses and break them apart because of their sheer strength.
Regarding the dummy, I have not seen Siu Fong's dummy at Jing yet.... will do so this year when I come back. But basically, the ideal wooden dummy is mounted on two horizontal beams which are fixed against a support mounted on the wall. When you hit the dummy, the dummy should give slightly, thereby correctly reflecting the "rebound action" a person has after being hit. The dummy itself should be about 150lbs, as this was the typical weight of a kung fu man in China. A dummy fixed and mounted against the floor may not be optimum, because (1) you could severely injure your arms against it especially if the arms are fixed and don't move (like some American dummies that I have seen), and (2) you are not able to simulate the "rebound action" after the strike. This action is very important because you need to be able to continuously stick to and trap the dummy via the hands after every strike... your energy needs to continously change to adjust.
Hope that answers your question. |
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r0177v31
Newbie
USA
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Posted - 02/28/2007 : 14:06:02
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Hello Sifu! I'd also like to ask you a question about training apparatus...
Do you recommend the use of ankle/wrist/vest weights? I was thinking of getting some for resistance training (with no sudden movements, just to walk around the house or go around the park with them on and such) but I'm reluctant to do so until I get some expert advice. For example: Would it put too much stress on the joints/tendons/ligaments and possibly damage them? Tighten the muscles too much? Any info would be great, thank you! |
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ReneNg
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Posted - 02/28/2007 : 14:35:20
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Ankle weights would not be a problem... I would stay away from wrist weights for the same reason as the Hung Ga rings. As long as you are not trying to do WC kicks with the ankle weights, they will be fine... they will help you to build leg strength. As long as you use the weights in moderation, you should not end up hurting your body... anything done in excess will be harmful. Just listen to your body... it will tell you when you are overdoing it.
To train upper body strength, best way to do is just to throw lots of punches (and I mean LOTS.... fast and slow, until and after your shoulder hurts... really good training, and also cardiovascular as well !! ) |
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najoha75
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Posted - 02/28/2007 : 17:46:12
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Thank you, Sifu... That answered my question!
-Nathan |
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Wing Chun Rattan Ring
